I am getting a bit sick of all the BS that people are sending me, saying whatever product they represent (usually by an MLM ) is superior to TA-65. I allow dissenting opinions, because no one is ever right 100% of the time, including me. Over the past few months I have publicly retracted statements I made a few years back, when new research indicated a clear cut answer to a question, or viewpoint I had expressed, that was incorrect. Even the great Dr Joe Mercola has publically admitted making mistakes. Not so long ago he sent an email out stating that after years of pushing cod liver oil, he does not endorse it any more. He gave, as his reason, concern that high doses of Vitamin A, as found in cod liver oil, might interfere with Vitamin D absorption/metabolism and could lead to an increase in colon cancer.
It takes a lot of guts to admit you might have had a hand in causing someone’s colon cancer, but if that is the case, then honesty is always the best policy.
And so it is to honesty that I speak to the people who persist on sending me comments about various and sundry (usually MLM) compounds.
1) The only possible study that was done on these compounds (I know of one of them, no others) was with a TRAP assay for telomerase. The expression of active telomerase does not necessarily equate to telomere maintenance, or lengthening (Oulette 1999 and others!) so, while that is a start, it is a far cry from proving anything.
2) These assays are done on human cell cultures, under ideal conditions, with varying concentrations of the product. This is how initial studies were done on TA-65. Mouse and human studies followed.
3) There is a little thing called “pharmacokinetics”, which describes how things are absorbed in the gut and distributed throughout the blood volume and ultimately the cells. Only TA-65 has this data because no one else has bothered to test their products in this fashion.
4) Even with positives on all of the above, the end point is “what does it do in live people”?
5) Since TA-65 was tested for safety and efficacy, using end points like a reduction in critically short telomeres, immune system de-aging, bone density improvements, inflammatory marker reduction, vision, skin and improvements in blood glucose and other “age related” biomarkers, it is the only supplement that has that data. The other supplements have none, not even safety data. They are made up using pre-existing supplements, that have proven safe, but in theory, at least a specific combination could have toxicity as the sum of its parts, that the individual compounds do not have. None of the “competitors” even have mouse studies.
This does not mean that the aforementioned compounds are worthless as supplements. They may indeed be a “telomere maintenance supplement”. Many contain a good mix of active antioxidants that may indeed slow telomere loss. We don’t know that for sure, but let’s assume it’s true for the moment. This is still a far cry from telomerase activation, in real live human beings, with reproducible results. It is also a far cry from the many mouse studies done with TA-65 in Maria Blasco’s and others’ labs around the globe. Said studies have shown remarkable reversal, in many physical parameters of aging; in at least one study, a 40% extension of lifespan. (Mice do not age solely by telomere loss, or it would probably be much longer).
I also understand the MLM mentality. Everyone is gung ho to change the world and make millions. The obscene fact that an infinitesimally small number of people do, either whether in or out of an MLM, seems not to be a deterrent.
Here is some of the BS I have had to listen to:
‘Our product has 30% more of the astragalus extract used in TA-65.’
Answer: if that is true, you are in violation of International Patent law and will be prosecuted and probably shut down. Better check your facts.
‘Our product is 10X more effective than TA-65.’
Answer: Great! I want some, but show me the human studies first.
‘I’ll show you studies, just give me a year.’
Answer: If you are making claims now, you should have the backup NOW, not in 1 year. I know, for a fact, one company has never pursed the studies they made so much noise about doing.
‘But it’s got bacopasides!!!’
Answer: What the hell does that mean? Do you have any idea what a bacopaside is? Since the answer is probably “no,” let me help. Functionally, Bacopa monnieri is an ethnobotanical antioxidant that has some ability to help with the generation of the body’s most potent antioxidant, glutathione. It may also influence neurotransmitters, like ACH and dopamine. The association of bacopa and telomeres exists in one single trial that just started and was filed in March 2012; thus, there is no data yet.
It is possible that a company has “internal data” they are not sharing, about a particular ingredient but, as of this writing, the only potentially reputable trial to even associate the words bacopa and telomere in the same paragraph is at least a year from completion.
Now, here is the thing. Most of these claims are not written anywhere. They are the parroted words of an MLM devotee, who feels personally attacked, when asked for solid proof. That is when the ad hominem attacks on me start, by these people who have never met me and have no clue about what I really do.
In the words of Larry David, “Curb your enthusiasm!”, at least on my site. If you want me to take what has, here to fore, been absolute nonsense mixed with ignorance, BS and not a little bit of marketing hyperbole, fed to you by salesmen who use you to make their money for them in large doses, seriously, you are going to have to show me proof.
Until you actually have more than what your up lines told you, please do not claim any product is superior to TA-65. There are some head to head trials going on right now that are awaiting publication. Wanna guess what they show? My attitude, in this blog, should be a big hint!!!!
Finally, Suzanne Somers’ book “Bombshell”, mentions only one telomerase activator for 21 pages — TA-65, not anything else, for telomerase activation. So, if you think that her book is going to increase your revenues and down line signups for something else, you will be disappointed.
Remember, there is a huge difference between telomere support, telomerase activation in cell culture and lengthening telomeres, in real live human beings. The latter is the only end point that really matters and that is where TA-65 has a monopoly. So, if you want to convince me that you have something worthwhile, show me those human studies. Don’t say you are “going to do them” and then not get around to it, as one of these companies seems to have done. Get a reputable lab, with reputable scientists and do an independent study, the way TA Sciences has done. No one else has. I have been approached by all the MLM’s to support their product and have declined for this reason.
Someday, there will be a superior product to TA-65. When it comes, I will test it take it and report on it. But that day is not today, or tomorrow, or any time in the immediate future. Meanwhile, unless you are lengthening those critically short telomeres, you are getting older.
Don’t blame me!
Doc





Enjoyed your blog.
How do you feel about adding ta65 to standard treatment for lung cancer, chemo and radiation, to enhance immune system?
I can only tell you what I would do If I had that problem and repeat the oft heard, “This is not medical advice. Consult your doctor” – but I would take it!
Thanks for this…I, too, get bombarded with the MLM companies touting their “superior” products. I’ll be referring them to this post.
I found this interesting: this is the founder of Sisel http://www.marketwaveinc.com/viewalert.asp?id=72 Of course, like anyone else who has been jailed, penalized or sued by the FDA, FTC or IRS, whatever “wrong doing” was alleged, I am sure it was just to protect all of us from the conspiratorial powers of government regulatory agencies and dismantle the evil empire behind them that oppresses us all. I am sure they did it for “us”! LOL
Thank you again, Dr. Woynarowski. Your science-based products and information are ‘beacons of light’ in the sea of hyperbole and deceptiion. I look forward to your newsletter and blog knowing I will come away with something of value.
Hello everyone.
Dr Dave here with a little clarification and reminders. It seems, as is common on the internet, that people are writing in and commenting on this blog without doing any research at all into what I have said and done for the past 4 years. So before another person sends me the clinical trials in humans and mice on TA-65, let me say “I know, and I put them out as soon as they were published a few years ago. I also wrote and published a book, with 2 other well known authors in the field, called ‘The Immortality Edge’ (Wiley 2010) two years before Suzanne Somers wrote a word about TA-65. In addition, I worked for TA Sciences for a year as their Chief Medical Education Officer (2009-2010) and wrote the original doctor’s manual on TA-65. So I know a little bit about this topic! As a matter of fact, you can consider me an expert and someone who has been in the field for several years. I am happy for the comments but do 5 seconds of research on google first by typing my name and the word telomeres, especially if you want your comment published here.
I won’t contest that TA-65 is probably the best Telomerase Activator supplement on the market. What if I can’t afford it though? Is using a generic version of the supplement, such as “Product-B”, a waste of my money in the meantime? I understand antioxidants are always good for the body regardless, but is there anywhere I can find a comparison between the formulas of each so that I know exactly what I’m missing?
You will not currently find that comparison and you are not likely to anytime soon. Please be advised that Product B has no TA-65 in it. It is not a generic version of TA-65 since it has none of the TA-65 molecules in it. This does not mean it does not turn on telomerase — it means we don’t know what it does in humans. Rumor has it a head-to-head was done between TA-65 and Product B and the results are submitted for publication. Again, if that is even true, it will not be a human study, but a “cells in culture” study, which, while it may be intriguing, ultimately is meaningless. Compounding the frustration, the only way to know for yourself for sure is to get a Short Telomere Test done by Life Length, If you cannot afford $600 for a low dose 6 month course of TA, I doubt you’d want to spring the $700 for the test. My advice: Take your fish oil in large doses and choose whatever other activating products you can afford and take them religiously. Slowing down the loss of the telomere segment is not a waste of money — it’s just not the same as adding length. Trust me, I have been trying to get funding for a supplement testing company that would cut through all this BS and give people the truth, but no one is interested so far. It would probably destroy too many companies and careers! Doc.
Could you please explain the difference between a TA-65 activator and products that contain the actual telomerese enzyme from porcine thymus. Thank you.
Hi. I really have never heard of porcine thymus activators. In general, the difference between TA and all the other “activators” is the complete lack of data on most products and an actual human study on TA with more on the way. Doc